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@dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz @mjd@mathstodon.xyz I assumed it was computers before the Butlerian jihad, don't remember if it was explicitly spelled out.
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@mjg59 The LLM-hate reminds me of the backlash against computers themselves. People insisted they were 100% worthless because someone got a bill for $0, and then a notice they were in arrears when it was not paid. Many projects either failed outright or people had to do their work twice, first the old pen and paper way which worked, and then also put it into the computer never to be seen again...
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@hkrn this is the sort of thing that undermines trust in the EU. Which is what the tech firms want. For the EU to accept this is pure self-harm.
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@Reinald @nixCraft yes, https://huggingface.co/oongaboongahacker/Gemini-Nano it's also in the Android SDK, any app can freely use it: https://developer.android.com/ai/gemini-nano it's been a thing since 2024 or so.
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@bsdphk@fosstodon.org @dpiponi@mathstodon.xyz The parties are very different though, you can tell because the leftists spend much more effort fighting Democrats than they do Republicans.
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@mjg59@nondeterministic.computer I once wrote an Android app that would take put itself as default handler and then normally just push it over to the previously registered one, but it kept a log so I could open the app and tell it to send the url somewhere else.
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@bruces I think sabotage is a good tactic fighting a military invasion, where exactly do you think this applies in Europe today?
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@tante Sigh, this has been written better before, though back then the target was computers and the screeds were written on spirit duplicators. Calling computers a fascist tool did not do anything to stop them from coming last time, it did however succeed in reducing the number of workers in the new it-related jobs that unionized. A massive self-own. Can we try to not make the same mistake again?
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@DesChips @pfriedma @bsdphk @whyrl Most launchers have had zero *software* failures though. Guidance of a space-launcher is not actually a hard problem, it can be fully simulated beforehand without much trouble. I believe some rockets, e.g. Japan's Lambda flew without any computer at all, using purely a timer to steer the thing.
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@spzb @Lemonid @GossiTheDog no, the UK government has access to the model and ran their own evaluation https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-claude-mythos-previews-cyber-capabilities
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@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social They aren't claiming it's over, that's a strawman. But interestingly they are providing commit hashes of things they've found. Some of these are seriously scary. I've saved a copy of the webpage and will be waiting to see if the promised commits turn up. If they do check out my opinion of Anthropic will rise. If not...
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@rootwyrm @spzb @Lemonid @GossiTheDog The clarification did not help I'm afraid. Now it sounds like you're claiming that a government supporting genocide can't possibly do anything to increase it's own cyber-security? I'd have thought that a government doing that would instead be extra diligent in warning their people to be careful because of the risk of revenge attacks?
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@foolishowl @lproven No, I am arguing based on what your words mean according to the normal dictionary definitions. Various cults will often redefine words to mean something else, your use seems to be something Marxist-adjacent, but not something I am familiar with, which is why I am asking where is it coming from? It's clearly not from "Against the Grain".
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange Microsoft was extremely bad because they had a monopoly which they exploited to hurt the competition. The situation now is that we have three US competitors that are leapfrogging each other in taking the top spot. I'll be very worried if one of them gains a permanent advantage. But there is no sign of that so far. Rather the opposite actually, one of the Chinese (z.ai) is almost at the same level.
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@falken @GossiTheDog both of them actually look very good after this. Anthropic because the bug is very hard to spot, I can imagine reading that code a thousand times without seeing it. OpenBSD looks good because the AI did not find a single stupid/careless mistake.
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange That's not what they're saying though. From the wiki "krb5p
Kerberos authentication, integrity, and privacy. This is the most secure flavor of NFS. Not only does it provide authentication and integrity, but the entire RPC payload is encrypted. Thus a passive eavesdropper can see nothing but RPC headers. krb5p is a good choice for insecure networks, including wireless networks. "
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange "That's an indictment of a project's quality, not a validation of the LLM's quality." So you're saying that FreeBSD is bad. Fine. Anyway an additional motivation for what Anthropic did is to help open source projects by alerting them to security vulnerabilities so they can fix them. Are you objecting to that as well?
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@falken @GossiTheDog You're being incredibly rude to OpenBSD if you claim that "just give 20k to a professional" will make a meaningful difference to what they're already doing. https://www.openbsd.org/security.html
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@dalias @lispi314 @GossiTheDog @azonenberg That's not debunking. Actual debunking would be to provide evidence that what Anthropic achieved was not actually technically difficult. Instead of doing that you chose to insult FreeBSD. Instead of providing technical arguments you displayed your ignorance of the last 20 years of progress in NFS. Fascinating how somebody can be so wrong and still sound so arrogant.
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange Do you have a source for the millions in unreported results? For instance the phrasing in for ffmpeg is clear that it is ten thousand for all runs: "Mythos Preview identified several other important vulnerabilities in FFmpeg after several hundred runs over the repository, at a cost of roughly ten thousand dollars."
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@spzb @Lemonid @GossiTheDog trend line is irrelevant argument. The UK government is saying this has capabilities that has not existed before. Anthropic is saying that they are giving the defenders a head start on using this. Assuming that the "new capabilities" bit is true, is not this exactly what we want? Give the defenders a bit of time? What exactly are you arguing?
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@dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social To summarize your position: "If Anthropic witholds something to give defenders time to fix it, it means they're lying and have nothing. When they do release a real bug it means that it was for some stupid thing you shouldn't be running anyway." Got it.
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@dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social You're saying nobody should run the NFS-server they are making. How is that not insulting? Why don't you go to their mailing lists and tell them to stop? For extra effect repeat the phrase you used: "I knew when I was like 15 that you don't run NFS unless you want to get popped."
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@dalias @azonenberg @GossiTheDog You are being incredibly rude and even more ignorant. FreeBSD support latest NFSv4 including Kerberos encryption and authentication. if you don't believe me ask on the relevant mailing list. Though if you do I recommend you tone down your rudeness.
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@azonenberg@ioc.exchange @dalias@hachyderm.io @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social I think it will be a big deal if they don't keep their promises. It's the sort of thing journalists will use for attack pieces. We do already know that some of the bugs are real, for instance Anthropic is keeping the exploit for CVE-2026-4747 secret, but somebody else used public version of Claude to create their own working exploit: https://blog.calif.io/p/mad-bugs-claude-wrote-a-full-freebsd
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange
"Ensloppifying does not increase the set of trustworthy software to be found"
This is precisely what happened with this model though. It has found bugs written decades ago by humans, leading to these bugs being fixed. Leading to at least these programs being better.
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@vanderZwan @alineblankertz @malteengeler Fighting against supposed lies with different lies is not helpful. From what we can tell with reasonable reliability the luddites wanted privileges for themselves at the expense of other workers. This is essentially the opposite of the modern worker's movements. Most current union strategies are solidarity between *all* workers. The luddite approach belongs on history's scrapheap.
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@jon@gruene.social it's a government requirement that they check documents. It's the same logic where many countries mandate that hotels check your passport, but not the grocery store.
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@vanderZwan @alineblankertz @malteengeler I think it is appropriate in the specific case we have here: You asked for a reference without providing one yourself.
Can you do so now?
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@dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social Let me try explaining more clearly: Anthropic does this to demonstrate the technical capabilities of their new model. Your denigration of the utility of the FreeBSD NFS-server does not detract from that in the slightest, so Anthropic and their customers are not going to care in the slightest. You're being rather insulting to FreeBSD though, is that intentional?
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@lispi314 @GossiTheDog @dalias @azonenberg we seem to have lost track of the original discussion on whether the model works or not.
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@baldur@toot.cafe This is wrong, the struggle is between those who want democracy and several competing groups who threaten their enemies with unlawful retribution. If democracy wins nobody who hasn't broken any law(like paying bribes) has anything to fear.
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@spzb @Lemonid @GossiTheDog What you are doing is definitely arguing. You are claiming without evidence a sizeable amount of "hand holding" by Anthropic. My position is that if Anthropic is not lying about what the model can do all by itself then the model is a big deal. The UK government's report appears to corroborate what Anthropic is claiming.
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@bert_hubert One thing I don't see discussed is the different "modes" of programming. E.g. if I am writing code that is to be production-quality in a language/framework I have in the front of my mind, then I am faster than the LLM. But for just about everything else, test-harnesses, prototypes, experiments, UI to visualize the data I am working with etc. Then the LLM will produce a good enough result much faster than I can.
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@rootwyrm @spzb @Lemonid @GossiTheDog Just to be clear, it sounds like you're saying the UK government is not legitimate? If that's not what you intended to say, could you rephrase?
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@dalias @lispi314 @GossiTheDog @azonenberg Please tell this to the FreeBSD people, I am sure they will appreciate your insights.
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@bert_hubert@eupolicy.social It's not an actual truth though, it's a right-wing talking point(Pournelle was rabidly right-wing). One of the main motivations for DOGE in the US. It is true that there is a tendency in that direction though. Typical way of fighting this tendency is to have the top bosses be politicians and to have effective oversight organs.
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@vanderZwan @alineblankertz @malteengeler You asked me for sources, I gave you one which directly contradicts your version. Can you provide a source that supports your view? No?
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@vanderZwan @alineblankertz @malteengeler Curious how you did not provide a source for your side... Anyway, from https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/modern-europe/british-and-irish-history/luddites "The grievances consisted, [...], second, of the employment of “colts,” workers who had not completed the seven-year apprenticeship required by law. " Pay attention to the fact that even having the law partially on their side did not actually help them. The modern concept of solidarity among all workers is there for a reason.
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@foolishowl @lproven While interesting, the book does not support your statement "It's meaningless to exert authority if there's no resistance". You're basically saying that the only reason for being a dictator is to see people suffer. While some dictators do have that motivation, not all do.
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange The point of what Anthropic did was to demonstrate how good the new model is. Whether the NFS code should be in the kernel or not is an interesting discussion. However the fact is that exploiting kernel-level code usually is harder than attacking userspace programs. So when the AI succeeded in doing just that it is an indication of how technically skilled it is compared to earlier versions.
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@spzb @Lemonid @GossiTheDog Uhm, they sound quite apocalyptic to me for instance they write "On expert-level tasks — which no model could complete before April 2025 — Mythos Preview succeeds 73% of the time."
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@vanderZwan @alineblankertz @malteengeler The sterotypical view, as I understand it, is that the luddites were smashing machines that made their jobs superfluous. Is that a pro-capitalist lie? What do you think is the truth? And how does your version reconcile with the source I provided detailing numerous instances of machine smashing?
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@lispi314 @GossiTheDog @dalias @azonenberg Please direct your suggestions to the FreeBSD people directly, they are easily contactable.
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social @dalias@hachyderm.io @azonenberg@ioc.exchange I'm interested in what effects this model will have on the security landscape. Whether it is ethical or not, it exists and can't be wished away. Similarly while I also would like all software in general and ffmpeg in particular to be written in a decent language, this is not the case as the world exists today..