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@csgraves@turtleisland.social ·Jun 10

@HI_Greens@mastodon.scot capitalism must die, the sooner the better.

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GhostOnTheHalfShell

@GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai ·Jun 10

@HI_Greens@mastodon.scot The hat trick the private sector pulled off was to redirect government spending into their own bank accounts. fresh money spent directly into their net worth. This is why nobody else has any money, because the government doesn’t spend on them anymore. Government spending is for billionaires and taxes are what everyone else pays

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EndicottRoad59

@EndicottAuthor@mastodon.social ·Jun 10

@HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Everything became unsustainable when the private sector, and their greed, started to much up everything.

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⁂ Fish Id Wardrobe

@fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk ·Jun 10

@HI_Greens@mastodon.scot arguably the whole point of society is standing up good things despite them being otherwise "unsustainable".

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xs4me2

@xs4me2@mastodon.social ·Jun 10

@HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Grifters indeed…

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MarjorieR

@marjolica@social.linux.pizza ·Jun 10

@HI_Greens@mastodon.scot to be fair the demands we make on the government for pensioner income (they aren't actually doing all that well, particularity the poorest) and for NHS care are increasing as the population ages and becomes increasing badly fed and unfit. However we can afford to fund this if we chose to. Strictly (according to MMT) we don't need to increases taxes but it would be perhaps it would be easier to justify if we were to tax those best able to afford it more (the rich, particularly the tax-avoiding ultra-rich and multinationals such as Amazon) and to remove the profiteering private sector out of our national services - NHS, Care, Water, Railways, Energy.

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange ·Jun 10

@HI_Greens@mastodon.scot the private sector is more accountable, less govt involvement is good, see jack anderson

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@pthane@toot.wales ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Wikipedia lists about 10 Jack Andersons, if you mean the one who was a columnist he wrote thousands of pieces over a long career so could you be more specific? As for claiming the private sector is more accountable, how and to whom?

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange ·Jun 10

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@pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot fedex is doing fine

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@pthane@toot.wales ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Lots of companies are doing fine by their own metrics, ie profitability, ROI, share price. That's nothing to do with the original post about public services.

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange ·Jun 10

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@pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot they do the same thing as the usps, it is an apt comparison. less govt is good - we know govt is not accountable, the private sector has competition, they have contrrols, the govt doesn't, it isn't even close when you look at the efficiency of the private sector vs the govt

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@pthane@toot.wales ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot I think you're confusing the US with the rest of the world. The original post was about the UK Post Office, and other privatised public services. Some of our old publicly owned enterprises were badly managed and under invested. If we had cared enough we could have elected politicians who promised more money and better management but instead we kept electing politicians who promised low taxes and cut services they wouldn't fund.

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange ·Jun 10

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@pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot govt sucks almost universally - that is all i have to say

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Sharp Leaves

@BoysenberryCider@mastodon.social ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot It sounds like your thinking is based on ideology rather than evidence. Privatisation was trialled in the 80's and 90's, and a lot of the damage it's done is still playing out, yet every time people still crawl out of the woodwork saying the government sucks without evidence. Where on Earth does the private sector provide better services?

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@pthane@toot.wales ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot US govt sucks. UK govt is trying hard to suck as much but isn't quite there yet. Many other governments seem to do quite well.

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@csgraves@turtleisland.social ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange so you’ve said nothing.

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange ·Jun 10

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@csgraves@turtleisland.social And says, "My advice is to not let the boys in" Now the medicine man comes and he shuffles inside

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Dark Phoenix 🇺🇦🇨🇦🇬🇱🇵🇦🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈

@csgraves@turtleisland.social ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange what is it you’re saying here?

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Passwordsarehard4

@passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Fed Ex comes to your house and business every day to check if you have something going out? Nope, they only come after your paid for the trip. FedEx uses their own delivery drivers and trucks? Nope, independent contractors do the majority of the last mile deliveries that aren’t subbed to USPS. The lack of oversight is what generates the profit.

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@Darkphoenix@universeodon.com ·Jun 10

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@passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social @gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot where I live, UPS, LITERALLY, drops their packages AT the local Post Office, who then deliver said package, for them. How is that "better".

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange ·Jun 10

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@passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot what are you the expert on global logistics now?

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Passwordsarehard4

@passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social ·Jun 11

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot it’s not a new thing, I’ve been one for awhile. Private business only do better for the rich. They separate haves from have nots so they can extract the most possible with the least effort expended. They produce the poor so the rich have something to be better than. If it’s something everyone should have equally only the government can provide it.

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Passwordsarehard4

@passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social ·Jun 11

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot when Ronald Regan took office in 1981 the national debt was at $998 billion, when he left in 1989 it was $2.9 trillion. He didn’t help the American people, he didn’t help the American government, he wasn’t even a good actor.

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange ·Jun 11

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@passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot bring back the clinton economy - he is the only one who showed a shred of fiscal prudence but he also deregulated banks with glass-steagal and you know what happened

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Kelson

@kelson@notes.kvibber.com ·Jun 11

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@passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social @gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @pthane@toot.wales @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Yeah, the fact that for-profit shipping companies often find it cheaper to hand the package off to the post office instead of finishing the job themselves does make you wonder. Of course as private companies they also have the option of deciding some delivery areas aren't worth the cost and just not ship there at all, which isn't an option for the USPS as a public service.

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Laust

@Laust@ohai.social ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot less accountable, I think you will find. There is no democratic transparency and they are only beholden to their owners/shareholders.

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Violet Madder

@violetmadder@kolektiva.social ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Accountable??? You're joking. Just look at healthcare in the USA. Fucking look at how much we pay, and our falling life expectancy. Private for-profit healthcare is a sadistic extortion racket, and you can GTFO with this vile nonsense.

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@csgraves@turtleisland.social ·Jun 10

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange nope. The private sector has lost the plot, and I wouldn’t trust the private sector for any reason. Public good outweighs private enterprise, and no, I’m not interested in an opposing view of this.

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Kelson

@kelson@notes.kvibber.com ·Jun 11

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@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange @HI_Greens@mastodon.scot Spoken like someone who's never waited in line at the bank, gotten shuffled between 5 different call centers talking to customer support, or had to navigate corporate bureaucracy

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