#neverslop

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You know, I've been stressing about what my next phone OS is going to be, as Google tries to crack down on side loading. And considering I'm also trying to get onto a #NeverSlop (rather than merely #NoSlop) stack, and figure out what that stack even contains, I think Nura is gonna be the thing if I can get it on my phone. https://social.treehouse.systems/@cas/117347732017118902
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Post your #NeverSlop tech stack! I'm thinking... OS: #NetBSD, #Illumos, #Haiku, #RedoxOS or #9frontEditor: #ed, #nvi, or #VimClassiceBooks: #clbre??? (Doesn't seem to have any downloads yet); #arcalibre?Social: (egad, #Mastodon is already sloppified?!?) #GoToSocial, #snac2, hopefully #LittleFediAudio editing: #TenacityBrowser: #KonformBrowserImage editing: libvipsData/file encryption: #LibreSSL, ccryptPassword Manager: #ChiPassTerminal Multiplexer: GNU #Screen and #OpenTmuxEmail: #aerc, #clawsMail (I haven't tried all of these yet)
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You know, I've been reading the terms #NoSlop and #NeverSlop as pretty interchangeably so far, but I think my brain just clicked on the difference between them, which is clarifying my goals to someday run an explicitly and completely Never Slop software stack on my machines. The key word is "yet" - no slop *yet.* It's easier right now to run a fully No Slop system, because it's more permissive - it allows you to include software that doesn't have a policy about LLMs, or has a policy that permits LLM contributions but doesn't yet incorporate any in practice, or unmaintained pre-slop software. This would be a huge step in the right direction from my current daily driver. But the problem with mere No Slop is that a lot of your dependencies are time bombs, and you don't know which. I fundamentally want to get out of this experience where I have to keep changing my workflow because of upstream dumbassery. I want to get to a place where I only use software explicitly committed to never, in the future, slop out.
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So IMHO, #NeverSlop is the new baseline of trust in that social contract, and software that doesn't live up to it - even if the version today is A-OK - does not live up to the perpetuity of trust expectations I want for my peace of mind, the ones already established as precedent for our ecosystem since I was a teenager trying to figure out how to pronounce "Ubuntu." Software that might slop out *someday* doesn't actually have a place in a system of convenient, high-trust assumptions.
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@MaddieM4@raphus.social the over leveraged transient trust relationships we have embodied in package managers and distributions with massive package sets and builds with maximum features and thus maximum dependencies, are no longer tenable. Slop exacerbates it, but even without slop we are seeing the results of that shared infrastructure being targeted by bad actors — states, criminal gangs, rent seekers. I say this not in disagreement with #NeverSlop as a system design principal, but to expand the understanding of the threats we face at this time. No slop, no features designed for rent extraction, no standards that are cartel whitewashing, measure and know the cost of each dependency, and build open alternatives that are radically simpler. For example, GameOfTrees, not git with rust and ruby toolchain dependencies. Workflows that don’t require JavaScript to collaborate.
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RE: https://mas.to/@libreleah/117344092080724056 Libreboot being #NeverSlop is great news. With all the foundational infrastructure we've lost ground on in the last couple years, having this part a of a Never Slop software stack locked in is genuinely delightful and a breath of fresh air.
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anti-AI policy added to libreboot lbmk: https://codeberg.org/libreboot/lbmk/src/branch/master/AGENTS.md i shall repeat here, the contents of this file, for posterity: fuck no. AI can get fucked. have a nice day. think for yourself. AI will only ruin your mind and deskill you. here are some articles: think AI makes you super hacker? think again: https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.09089 libreboot project is actively discriminatory towards non-human intelligence. we only accept contributions submitted by humans. if AI generated contributions are found, they will be removed. no exceptions.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@catsalad/117340979884602786 Slop-free FOSS 🖑️ FOSS apps, projects, and services with accounts on the Fediverse that do NOT use AI, LLMs, Claude, vibe coding, etc. https://fedidevs.com/s/MTA2OA/ #NeverSlop
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I should make a list of FOSS apps, projects, and services that have Fediverse accounts and don't code with AI, then strike them from the list with a big ELIMINATED notice if they do start drinking the slop kool-aid.
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weve had some questions about how we make our #neverslop images and for reference we are using: qemu-emulated mac os 9photoshop 7kai's power toolslayer effectsbong rips (the bong rips are optional, and if you're more comfortable with windows that's an option too)
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