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@lina@vt.social @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems 🟧 gonna be honest, this is a pretty frustrating take because you of all people should know better. helping people out takes effort, people will not just merge your patches even if you give them everything they need to do so, etc. this kinda just falls under the usual "why don't you do the work then" argument that has been thoroughly debunked before this is a shit situation for the maintainer, and there is definitely a lot of poorly thought out criticism of him, but this argument does nothing to fix that ultimately, if someone chooses Claude over asking for help and then still doesn't ask for help after the fact, it seems more likely that they are not going to ask for help. so, the choices are either quit or double down and rely fully on these tools, and I agree quitting and letting a community fork take over is the better option

@jneen reminds me of something my boss at my last employer said I asked whether we should be concerned about deploying big changes on Fridays they seemed offended at even the implication with the idea that being scared of deploying changes on Friday is antithetical to "customer obsession" (fucking hate that term) like there's a difference between Being in Fear and just reducing all chances of problems and tech has this toxic relationship with problems where you should forget they exist until you have to drop everything to fix them

@Siph very different vibe than terminal

@Athena@chaosfem.tw fwiw I agree with you, just, damage control atm a large portion of the team is anti-LLM but a few key folks in charge are stonewalling discussion

@Athena@chaosfem.tw also just wanted to comment here because like the discussion was annoying enough as is and while I get the desire to just jump in and call people out it is extremely unhelpful and just leads to more work for the people who are ultimately on your side and have to work with everyone else

@whitequark@social.treehouse.systems the correct answer is no, you're paying me full price

@whitequark@social.treehouse.systems I promise it's competitive

@typeswitch the things people get up to without hygenic macros

@jneen we started studying computer science at university in 2012 and it feels like that was effectively (at, or slightly after) the turning point where "get a job in programming, you'll be set for life" lead to people doing that, and then companies deciding to no longer make that true

@davidgerard wow, it's that bad, huh? thinking of all the people who definitely wouldn't be able to fight this or even know about it, and it's extra fucked

sometimes you just make soup and that's your whole day and that's okay

@roxy@chitter.xyz @exa@sleeping.town honestly, being explicit about it instead of just doing what we do is probably healthier that being, often one of us spending all day on a task, getting burnt out, and then switching to someone else the next day, oscillating on repeat switching hands because of burnout hasn't been that bad lately but. it's been that bad recently

@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net 🟧 generally like the Wikipedia rule: link to the page for the first occurrence of a term, don't after that so, explain the first usage of an acronym/initialism/term but you don't have to after that. usually just expanding an acronym the first time and using it after is enough

@cassolotl@eldritch.cafe quotes also weren't part of the API either but that didn't stop them

@Siph@meemu.org the other for unrelated reasons housemate was typing various words in google translate to see what they were in French after translating sit as s'asseoir she said "this is a joke language" and I was like, yeah, I mean, most of words aren't pronounced then looked closer and realised she was amused that the word started with ass

@whitequark@social.treehouse.systems would fight more against this post but I literally chose to quit the discussion for the time being in the Rust community due to frustration but still sorta working on it since like. the team is in favour minus a few people's strong lack of support

soup was great

@remmy@social.treehouse.systems @Athena@chaosfem.tw thank you for your helpful and not-at-all obvious analysis sorry, extremely exhausted by everything and really don't want to be included in this discussion any more. if you want to continue replying please feel free to do so without mentioning us

@Athena@chaosfem.tw oh, rest assured that my day was already ruined before you showed up, I'm just trying to help people understand how actually one-sided this discussion is on the inside despite it being completely stonewalled on the outside I would apologise but it feels extremely clear this conversation hasn't upset you at all, so, just continue enjoying your day I guess

@roxy@chitter.xyz @exa@sleeping.town makes a lot more sense considering the stricter memory boundaries y'all seem to have for us there's not really a sense in which one of us could be "relaxing" that everyone else is missing out on, even though we do tend to lose time a lot based upon focused work being done

@fen@yiff.life @Siph@meemu.org lava that taste

@joe@f.duriansoftware.com admittedly my first thought was, is there a scientific calculator that does this

@typeswitch anything is possible if you believe that it's not too obnoxious

@MrL314 I think you're kinda stuck since this seems to just be a standard discrete logarithm problem that said even with a pretty meagre GPU you could probably just brute-force the entire space in a few minutes

@juliemoynat@eldritch.cafe @rberthier@oc.todon.fr je veux dire que l'équipe de Mastodon ne veut faire rien pour l'accessibilité

anyway the point is if google personally attacks me (mentally) I should be able to personally attack them (physically)

@Athena@chaosfem.tw we all have an extremely finite amount of energy to expend every day and someone who doesn't know what's going on showing up, labelling everyone as cowards, and openly "hoping to get banned" for their actions doesn't do anything but take away that energy we were going to put into action like I'm not saying you're wrong for doing this, I'm just saying that you should understand what you're doing

@Athena@chaosfem.tw like ultimately it's fucking damning if you think you're just as difficult to convince as someone who uses fascist rhetoric I'm only talking to you because I genuinely believe you're reasonable and understand shit. would hate to be proven wrong

@Athena@chaosfem.tw there's a difference between tone policing and telling people the reality of what's going on I've been tone policed to hell and back and I don't want to tell you what to do. the reality though is that it doesn't matter what I tell you to do because I know the effect; the thread is now locked from discussion and neither of us can participate does that make you happy? like, ultimately, I disagree that playing nice with people is going to be the way to get things done. but I just wanted to let you know just how many people are on the same page with you and to know who you should be putting energy into fighting and who you're just annoying by arguing with

@Athena@chaosfem.tw so I'm gonna actually defend jyn here for trying to get consensus despite the people stonewalling discussion despite thinking that sharing David's quote is indefensible I wrote about that explicit quote in a blog post also: https://txt.ltdk.xyz/testing-the-limits-of-kindness/ it is cowardly to exclude those topics from discussion, but that's not cowardice on jyn's behalf, it's on the behalf of the people defending LLMs who are responsible for getting the policy merged

@juliemoynat@eldritch.cafe @rberthier@oc.todon.fr aussi d'accord c'est horrible pour tout le monde mais si vous ne voulez faire rien c'est bon

@rixx Codeberg does seem to support actions although I believe you have to opt in from what I understand it works pretty okay; probably no worse than GitHub, at least

@juliemoynat@eldritch.cafe @rberthier@oc.todon.fr oui et je parle de cela dans l'article maintenant on poste fréquemment les images de texte parce que la limite de caractères est trop courte, et même si on peut copier et coller ses mots directement ça fait n'importe rien avec une limite trop courte donc il faut augmenter la limite des postes aussi que la limite des images mais ils ne font rien maintenant

obligatory "plurality isn't traumagenic" preceding trauma-dumping

@Athena@chaosfem.tw I've been burning enough bridges lately, I'm not going to just call people out for you here pretty much everyone who has been blocking consensus however has publicly commented on at least one of the available policies, so, feel free to take notes if you want. I'm just not gonna burn bridges for you considering how already fucking exhausted I am trying to propose a separate policy

been able to actually discuss trauma in writing which is nice

@christianp isn't this also a finite sequence too not sure how the rounding works, but presumably the rounding down would make you smaller than a millimetre and thus you have no paper sizes left

@Athena@chaosfem.tw if you wanna think that, feel free, but I both have a full alternative policy which does not pull any punches and all you appear to have accomplished is locking the thread so now nobody can discuss anything in it I just know that when someone controls the space going in and making a mess does not accomplish anything besides you getting kicked out and the janitorial staff being very annoyed, which is kinda what's happening here

@Athena@chaosfem.tw oh yes, it has, but you underestimate how many people on the team are pissed about that and want it to change but need to be diplomatic about it so they don't lose their jobs or positions like, the tech industry is extremely unfavorable to people who dissent to LLMs and just showing up and complaining that people aren't doing enough is putting these people in impossible positions where they agree with you but are forced to say nothing and let the fascists dunk on you because they can't be so overt about it I've been especially frustrated lately because this has been happening to me too, but like, at least I know what the situation is and am working on changing it. again, I'm just pointing out that even though you were extremely tame in the discussion relative to what you're saying here, all you did is invite more folks to throw shit and get the discussion locked so now not even I can comment on it

🟧 also, honourable mention to @andypiper@macaw.social, who helped start this entire thing! there wouldn't be an anniversary to celebrate without you remember: the word "fuck" is such a powerful COC violation that it is capable of overpowering even a project that gives a "Frick" about accessibility. in case you're looking to write about the topic, you can use a title like this: "Mastodon accessibility concerns disrupted by powerful fuck" or "powerful fuck leads to 3-month anniversary of 6-character Mastodon accessibility change" even in the face of evidence-based accessibility changes, things can still be halted by a single fuck that was given! thanks to @MastodonEngineering@mastodon.social for curating such a great team! https://txt.ltdk.xyz/giving-a-fuck-about-accessibility/ #Mastodon #MastoDev #JohnMastodon #PowerfulFuck

@Athena@chaosfem.tw oh, believe me, I'm already mad enough at him for his bullshit I was mad at jyn earlier for seemingly throwing me under the bus to quote him and I'm mad at you because now ultimately I do not have a say in this discussion any more and you do not seem to care but sure. be happy that you've managed to get some clout on social media for complaining to people who already were frustrated with the situation to begin with. I'm not gonna change your mind or even say you were wrong for what you did. I just want you to know that sometimes stirring shit just makes people who were already exhausted more exhausted, and doesn't actually further the cause you were supporting

like here it is described using Dan Olson's groggy morning face

@codl oh weird, you're right

the worst part is I'm getting used to doing it even though I actively feel disgusted every time it comes up

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