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@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net Schon allein deshalb großartig, weil da einfach eine Webadresse draufsteht. Nicht irgendein Waschmaschinensymbol mit irgendeinem Accountnamen daneben, und nicht irgendwas, was wie eine Mailadresse ohne Linke Seite aussieht. Einfach eine ganz normale Webseite. Nice. :)

@johnnythan@tuebingen.network ... und überlegt euch beim nächsten Mal vielleicht vorher, wieviel BigTech-Liebelei wirklich in der FOSS-Welt sein muss. Sonst bleibt es ja immer dieses räudige Hinterherrennen. Gewisse Dinge kann man schon vorab kommen sehen, wenn man wirklich will. ;)

@fluepke@chaos.social Wenn man den CCC von früher cool fand, ist es doch heute eh auch inhaltlich eher enttäuschend, oder? Ein paar gute Talks gibt's wohl immer; die lädt man sich einfach runter und guckt sie so. Mich hatte es abgehängt, als ich auf Congressen immer das Gefühl hatte, für die vertiefende Teilnahme einen Twitter-Account zu brauchen. Besser kann man sich als CCC vermutlich nicht unglaubwürdig machen, als diese Liebeleien mit BigTech, oder?!

@fluepke@chaos.social ... aber ja, das vorrangige Ziel war (und ist?), möglichst viele Leute anzusprechen (no matter with what). Und die 'vielen' waren halt bei Twitter. Und die hat man alle erfolgreich angesprochen, und die buhlen heute alle um die Tickets. Diese Masse steht zwar für nix und nimmt das einfach als guten Anlass für eine Instatoktube-Story mit, aber man kann eine hohe Zahl an Mitgliedern nennen. :)

@YourShadowDani@mastodon.social @Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange If the audio/video of the meeting gets recorded (maybe visible to you and usable by you, or completely hidden), hasn't the privacy invasion then already happened? Getting a transcript from some AI doesn't seem like an additional problem, assuming you were already okay with the former. You just get at least something back, you could say. Or not? (I'm not defending all that btw)

@TheJen@beige.party If you mean some TikTok or Youtube channel named "command line", they'll find it for sure. ^^

@lmd@social.heise.de @ct_Magazin@social.heise.de Ich finde deinen Schlusssatz so gut, den könnte ich definitiv jederzeit unterschreiben.

@Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange Does the privacy invasion start there? Or does it start when people decide to record the meeting? Or does it even start when someone forces you to use these tools? I'm asking because I'm actually not sure. Does the usage of AI tools really make matters worse than it already was before? Or do the same privacy issues already apply without them?

@kkarhan@c.im @masek@infosec.exchange @teezeh@ieji.de Ich liefere auch täglich Gegenentwürfe, tatsächlich, aber beiße mir damit die Zähne aus. Das will nie jemand hören. Alles eine große Pragmatikerrunde hier. :-/

@kkarhan@c.im @masek@infosec.exchange @teezeh@ieji.de ... und wenn man das zu direkt sagt, findet sich irgendwo noch ein Moderator, der einen auf "limited" setzt...

@kkarhan@c.im @masek@infosec.exchange @teezeh@ieji.de ... aber ich lasse mich da natürlich gern eines Besseren belehren. :) Mal schauen, wie's wird...

@TheMinefighter@chaos.social Joa, ist toll. Aber für ein paar Antifa-Banner komme ich nicht nach Hamburg.

@biokistenversteher@mastodon.social @net_gremlin@mastodon.ip6.li @kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de Hahahahaaa das gefällt mir wirklich seeeehr gut. Darf man sagen "Damit schlägt man den Trottel mit seiner eigenen Trotteligkeit"? Na wie auch immer. Muss ich mir aber mal merken.

@AnarchistArt@mastodon.social ... and also in Facebook. Just bad in a different way.

@aesthr@wandering.shop There was no brilliant additional effort that the Unix guys spent into filesystems to make them case sensitive, which the MS guys were not able to apply. It's just case sensitive (and even sensitive to various ways to encode the same character) because the Unix guys don't gave a shit at all.

@aesthr@wandering.shop I did nothing else than depicting a different perspective, in a friendly and polite way. Why can't Unix fans just be a bit more open minded?! Windows isn't a niche, and it works quite fine there unless you mix it with Unix. So it can't be *that* fundamentally bad. Anyways...

@AnachronistJohn@zia.io @jschauma@mstdn.social That's exactly like back then, when people abandoned email, websites, sms, etc, and replaced everything by Facebook. For some odd reason, that was just not a topic at all. Basically everyone was fine with it. What was your stance back then? AI stuff is doing more or less the same. It's somewhat less annoying, though, because they don't force their friends to make decisions.

@aesthr@wandering.shop As an end user, quite often I do NOT want that "Paris 2023” and "paris 2023” are two different file names. :) Sure, you can also solve that on UI level...

@AnachronistJohn@zia.io @eldritch48@mastodon.social @jschauma@mstdn.social Or was Facebook actually more annoying, but just not for these people that went along? When everyone suddenly was in WhatsApp and Facebook, while I wasn't, it definitely felt much worse to me than any AI offerings, which I can just deny without any direct consequences, or check for alternatives, or just wait. I don't see any point where - in my personal life - anybody or anything forces me into AI usage.

@aesthr@wandering.shop Unfortunately Linux doesn't even enforce that file names are valid UTF-8 or anything like that. So what *is* a character? I mean, yeah, sure, I know what you mean. I'm telling that since 20 years when people ask me. There were also times, though, when I had preferred case insensitivity a lot, from end user perspective. Sure, it's definitely a pitfall, because it can be surprising to novice devs.

@halcy @lynnesbian Yeah, sure, you're just a decade too late with that idea now, I suspect. And also, it's not enough to just post that hot take, but to act accordingly. That includes denying particular offers.

@eldritch48@mastodon.social @AnachronistJohn@zia.io @jschauma@mstdn.social You don't like my comparison because you are also fine with Facebook... Okay... I understand... :) I'd say: Facebook users have - by being a Facebook user - lost all credibility when it comes to complaining about our current digital world. No matter what exactly. And no matter what fancy internet memes you can figure out. ;) They are part of a major problem before anything else. Sry to say that.

@AnachronistJohn@zia.io @eldritch48@mastodon.social @jschauma@mstdn.social Oh, another Facebook fanboy who doesn't like how I connect these threads of events? Fine...... I hope it makes your "discussion" better. ;)

@aesthr@wandering.shop Sure it leads to problems when both worlds clash together. But isn't it a bit too simple to just blame the 'foreign' one? Also, higher levels could only apply workarounds. "paris" and "Paris" are two different file names here, and to me as an end user, that's typically not ideal, and no higher level can actually solve that in a clean way. But yeah, I'm fine with it since some decades, I'll be fine with it for the next some. :)

@aesthr@wandering.shop BTW Isn't Android also trying to be case insensitive? At least here.

@bunthoernchen@chaos.social @TheMinefighter@chaos.social Jep, genau, ich bleibe ja seit geraumer Zeit an den Tagen zu Hause. Nicht, weil ich etwas gegen diesen Austausch hätte. Aber diese "Grundeinstellung", die ich noch kannte, ist imho etwas sehr Abstraktem gewichen. Eine konkret kritische Haltung zu BigTech war zumindest nicht mehr spürbar. Es wird viel schlau abstrakt dahingeredet, aber es kommt ja nix mehr dabei rum. MS-Ablehnung findet man schnell, aber nix bez. Entwicklungen der letzten 15 Jahre.

@aesthr@wandering.shop I was used to seeing it like you. On the other hand, what's the problem with case insensitive filesystems?

@datenteiler@openbiblio.social Dann isses an der echten Welt vorbei.

@lmd@social.heise.de @ct_Magazin@social.heise.de Achso, und du machst dir die Mühe, deine berufl. Passwörter vor Edge zu schützen? Nagut...

@datenteiler@openbiblio.social Zuvordest.

@datenteiler@openbiblio.social Doch doch. Digitale Unabhängigkeit. Es muss also um Smartphones und um WhatsApp und Facebook gehen. Nicht wahr? Nicht wahr???

@eldritch48@mastodon.social @AnachronistJohn@zia.io @jschauma@mstdn.social If someone comes up and says "I have objectively and ultimatively measured the socia-ecological implications of Facebook and of AI, so we can compare it", I would just laugh! That sounds bonkers, no?

@eldritch48@mastodon.social @AnachronistJohn@zia.io @jschauma@mstdn.social It's both about BigTech products, and typical complaints about AI sound very much like what I said about Facebook back then. Usually you can just interchange them verbatim, and nobody would recognize it. You saying "that's a different topic" is like a chain smoker who rails against alcoholism, and then someone comes along remembering you that your "alcohol" just has another name. If you're on Instagram, don't complain about the state of the digital world.

@lmd@social.heise.de @ct_Magazin@social.heise.de Fühlt sich das manchmal auch seltsam an? Ich kann mich in sowas manchmal schwer reindenken. Diese ganzen Graustufen an Vertrauen. Irgendwie wirkt es so albern, könnte man ja vorschnell meinen. Du gibst ja dort die Passwörter beim Login ein. In dem Moment hast du sie ja Edge anvertraut. Ende. Dann auf das Speichern zu verzichten wirkt so ein bisschen nach emotionalem Tauschhandel. Ich traue hier dem Firmen-Edge alles an, was Firma ist. Why not?

@aesthr@wandering.shop And "I want paris and Paris to mean the same and not want to deal with ten different inferior UI level simulations" would not be a valid use case? I'm always puzzled when people complain I'd not respect their use cases, when I have the feeling that the opposite is happening. :) But again, in real life, I'm fine with how it is. It's just interesting for me to exchange ideas and standpoints. Btw: I don't think MS was 'lazy'. Case insensitivity brings additional complexity, right?

@masek@infosec.exchange @kkarhan@c.im @teezeh@ieji.de Ach, das ist so Business Sprech, wo man für irgendwas bezahlt wird. Warum sollte ich hier gezwungen sein, Vorschläge zu machen? Ich halte es inzwischen wirklich für hoffnungslos. Sry. Ich bin da raus mit Vorschlägen. Ich hab diesbez. die letzten 15 Jahren genug (nicht) gesehen.

@karlauerbach@sfba.social You all use rightwing communication platforms for your discourse. Since 20 years. Nobody forced you to chase them. You just did. So there is no surprise that communication nowadays is owned by them. Right?

@datenteiler@openbiblio.social Und die digitale Selbstbestimmung wird in 2026 wirklich am PC entschieden? Wo wart ihr die letzten 20 Jahren? Hier nicht, oder???

@aesthr@wandering.shop Whether one would like it or not, but if we would declare case insensitivity as the ultimate default, and everyone would adapt to that one, we'd definitely have no problems either, right? The problems comes when you mix both approaches together. Solutions on UI level - particularly in Linux land - have the problems that there will be 10 implementations, all somewhat different, and changing over time. And the Gnome guys do sth completely bonkers. Then better leave it as it is. :)

@eldritch48@mastodon.social @AnachronistJohn@zia.io @jschauma@mstdn.social They can make their studies, have their metrics, their guesses, and whatnot, their way of getting data, etc... And then another study comes and says a different thing. You cannot "measure" that like you can measure a voltage.

@aesthr@wandering.shop Yeah, also true... Maybe consider them as "legacy filesystems" and deal with them in a special way... ^^ That's probably what Windows Explorer would say it does. No, idk... My personal IT is solely case sensitive filesystems (beyond /boot/EFI I guess?!) and it's okay. I just couldn't say it's ideal for me as an end user, though. For humans "paris" and "Paris" typically IS the same... But beyond being a nerd, I never really cared a lot about it... It's okay.