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Jeremi M Gosney :verified:

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Distinguished Engineer at GEICO Cyber. Your friendly neighborhood password cracker. Member of #TeamHashcat :blobcatrainbow: and the #Hashcat core development team. I also help run #DEFCON #PasswordVillage, @BSidesLV@infosec.exchange, and @hushcon@infosec.exchange.

Former CEO of Terahash, creator of the Brutalis. Author of hmac-bcrypt and Pufferfish2 🐡. OIF/OEF veteran 🪖 and former 97E 🕵🏼‍♂️. Married to @baybedoll@infosec.exchange💍 and living in Texas 🤠

Primarily interested in #cybersecurity, #infosec, #appsec, #passwords and #passwordcracking, #pentesting, #hacking, #distributed computing, #hpc, #gpgpu, #unikernels, #Linux development, #Rust, #C, #Perl, #Flatpak. :linux: :fedora: :redhat: :ubuntu: :terminal: :rust:

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 46mo ago

Many of you have been asking for my thoughts on the #LastPass breach, and I apologize that I'm a couple days late delivering.

Apart from all of the other commentary out there, here's what you need to know from a #password cracker's perspective!

Your vault is encrypted with #AES256 using a key that is derived from your master password, which is hashed using a minimum of 100,100 rounds of PBKDF2-HMAC-SHA256 (can be configured to use more rounds, but most people don't). #PBKDF2 is the minimum acceptable standard in key derivation functions (KDFs); it is compute-hard only and fits entirely within registers, so it is highly amenable to acceleration. However, it is the only #KDF that is FIPS/NIST approved, so it's the best (or only) KDF available to many applications. So while there are LOTS of things wrong with LastPass, key derivation isn't necessarily one of them.

Using #Hashcat with the top-of-the-line RTX 4090, you can crack PBKDF2-HMAC-SHA256 with 100,100 rounds at about 88 KH/s. At this speed an attacker could test ~7.6 billion passwords per day, which may sound like a lot, but it really isn't. By comparison, the same GPU can test Windows NT hashes at a rate of 288.5 GH/s, or ~25 quadrillion passwords per day. So while LastPass's hashing is nearly two orders of magnitude faster than the < 10 KH/s that I recommend, it's still more than 3 million times slower than cracking Windows/Active Directory passwords. In practice, it would take you about 3.25 hours to run through rockyou.txt + best64.rule, and a little under two months to exhaust rockyou.txt + rockyou-30000.rule.

Keep in mind these are the speeds for cracking a single vault; for an attacker to achieve this speed, they would have to single out your vault and dedicate their resources to cracking only your vault. If they're trying 1,000 vaults simultaneously, the speed would drop to just 88 H/s. With 1 million vaults, the speed drops to an abysmal 0.088 H/s, or 11.4 seconds to test just one password. Practically speaking, what this means is the attackers will target four groups of users:

1. users for which they have previously-compromised passwords (password reuse, credential stuffing)
2. users with laughably weak master passwords (think top20k)
3. users they can phish
4. high value targets (celebs, .gov, .mil, fortune 100)

If you are not in this list / you don't get phished, then it is highly unlikely your vault will be targeted. And due to the fairly expensive KDF, even passwords of moderate complexity should be safe.

I've seen several people recommend changing your master password as a mitigation for this breach. While changing your master password will help mitigate future breaches should you continue to use LastPass (you shouldn't), it does literally nothing to mitigate this current breach. The attacker has your vault, which was encrypted using a key derived from your master password. That's done, that's in the past. Changing your password will re-encrypt your vault with the new password, but of course it won't re-encrypt the copy of the vault the attacker has with your new password. That would be impossible unless you somehow had access to the attacker's copy of the vault, which if you do, please let me know?

A proper mitigation would be to migrate to #Bitwarden or #1Password, change the passwords for each of your accounts as you migrate over, and also review the MFA status of each of your accounts as well. The perfect way to spend your holiday vacation! Start the new year fresh with proper password hygiene.

For more password insights like this, give me a follow!

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 41mo ago

Happy #WorldPasswordDay!

I've cracked billions of #passwords from tens of thousands of #data #breaches in the past 12+ years, and because of this, I likely know at least one #password for 90% of people on the Internet. And I'm not alone! While I primarily crack breached passwords for research purposes and the thrill of the sport, others are selling your breached passwords to criminals who leverage them in #AccountTakeover and #CredentialStuffing attacks.

How can you keep your accounts safe?

- Use a #PasswordManager! I recommend @bitwarden@fosstodon.org and @1password@1password.social

- Use a #Diceware style #passphrase - four or more words selected at random - for passwords you have to commit to memory, like your master password!

- Enable MFA for important online accounts, including cloud-based password managers!

- Harden your master password by tweaking your password manager's KDF settings! For #Bitwarden, use Argon2id with 64MB memory, 3 iterations, 4 parallelism. For #1Password and other PBKDF2 based password managers, set the iteration count to at least 600,000.

- Use unique, randomly generated passwords for all your accounts! Use your password manager to generate random 14-16 character passwords for everything. Modern password cracking is heavily optimized for human-generated passwords, because humans are highly predictable. Randomness defeats this and forces attackers to resort to incremental brute force! There's no trick you can do to make a secure, uncrackable password on your own - your meat glob will only betray you.

- Use an ad blocker like #uBlock Origin to keep you safe from password-stealing #malware and other browser based threats!

- Don't fall for #phishing attacks and other social engineering attacks! Browser-based password managers help defend against phishing attacks because they'll never autofill your passwords on fake login pages. Think before you click, and never give your passwords to anyone, not even if they offer you chocolate or weed.

- #Enterprises: require ad blockers, invest in an enterprise password management solution, audit password manager logs to ensure employes aren't sharing passwords outside the org, implement a Fine Grained Password Policy that requires a minimum of 20 characters to encourage the use of long passphrases, implement a password filter to block commonly used password patterns and compromised passwords, disable #NTLM authentication and disable RC4 for #Kerberos, disable legacy broadcast protocols like LLMNR and NBT-NS, require mandatory #SMB signing, use Group Managed Service Accounts instead of shared passwords, monitor public data breaches for employee credentials, and crack your own passwords to audit the effectiveness of your password policy and user training!

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 41mo ago
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@Homebrewandhacking@mastodon.ie @bitwarden@fosstodon.org @1password@1password.social You're right - you have no control over the password policies for third-party services. So with that in mind, let me introduce you to a concept I debuted last summer called #PasswordNihilism . Password nihilism is understanding that sites have shit complexity requirements and shit password storage, and then not giving a shit because you recognize that none of it matters. Max 8 characters? Doesn't matter, don't care. Plaintext storage? Doesn't matter, don't care. Why doesn't it matter, and why should you not care? Because out of all the attributes a password can have (length, complexity, uniqueness, randomness, etc.), the only one that actually matters is uniqueness. And by "matters", I mean "actually defends against threats in the overall threat model for password security." So, as long as you're using a password manager to generate and store unique passwords for each site, you too can be a password nihilist! If you'd like to learn more about password nihilism, check out: This interview with @thorsheim@mastodon.social: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJkGom-bngs And this interview with @todb@infosec.exchange: https://open.spotify.com/episode/62kyiCbX8vsx74n94dAT1C

Passwords, but make it NIHILISM. An interview with Jeremi Gosney.

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 46mo ago
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Tagging those who had asked why ditch LastPass / why Bitwarden or 1Password / why another cloud-based password manager - please see above post for my answer! @Casper042@mastodon.social @squelch41@retrochat.online @Goutham@techhub.social @bgeerdes@mastodon.cloud @Jerry@hear-me.social @abhivm@mastodon.social @SOOKIE@tech.lgbt @jally@bbq.snoot.com @eclectic_citizen@convo.casa @sherridavidoff@infosec.exchange @jstangroome@infosec.exchange @BenAveling@infosec.exchange @NilsRenaud@m.g3l.org @thor@mast.ttk.is @arpcomics@mastodon.online @cambraca@musicians.today @pkellner@techhub.social @Nastypouch@hachyderm.io @Nazo@hachyderm.io @davelee212@hachyderm.io @CivilDev@hachyderm.io @edbro@swecyb.com @yeleek@infosec.exchange
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 46mo ago
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@alx@mastodon.mit.edu Incorrect. It was 5000 *client side* iterations plus 100,000 server-side iterations. See my comments on the 2015 LastPass breach for reference: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/hack-of-cloud-based-lastpass-exposes-encrypted-master-passwords/
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 20mo ago

So, the Samsung Galaxy S25 isn't supposed to be launched until February 7. I pre-ordered a Galaxy S25 Ultra from #TMobile on February 1 with an estimated shipping date of February 6, thus expecting it to arrive on launch day with overnight shipping.

It arrived today, February 3, four days before the launch date :blobcatalt:

#samsunggalaxys25 #samsunggalaxys25ultra #android

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 46mo ago
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@joe@appdot.net I don't like KeePass and I don't think it's a good solution for the average user. Sure, solid crypto, that's great. But it's obviously a password manager designed by crypto people and thus severely lacking in the UX department. A good password manager eliminates steps from your workflow and is transparent as possible.
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 20mo ago

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 46mo ago
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@Schweizera@mastodon.social because I'm a hacker, duh 😆 nah, this server runs a modified version of Mastodon that enables 11,000 character toots among other cool stuff.
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 46mo ago
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@WPalant@infosec.exchange @alx@mastodon.mit.edu Oh shit! Ok that definitely changes some things...
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 45mo ago
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@Nastypouch@hachyderm.io @Casper042@mastodon.social @squelch41@retrochat.online @Goutham@techhub.social @bgeerdes@mastodon.cloud @Jerry@hear-me.social @abhivm@mastodon.social @SOOKIE@tech.lgbt @jally@bbq.snoot.com @eclectic_citizen@convo.casa @sherridavidoff@infosec.exchange @jstangroome@infosec.exchange @BenAveling@infosec.exchange @NilsRenaud@m.g3l.org @thor@mast.ttk.is @arpcomics@mastodon.online @cambraca@musicians.today @pkellner@techhub.social @Nazo@hachyderm.io @davelee212@hachyderm.io @CivilDev@hachyderm.io @edbro@swecyb.com @yeleek@infosec.exchange Sorry for the delay in response, my mentions have been a tad inundated. Yup, 1Password has had a few vulns. As I said above, they haven't gotten everything right. I remember when Tavis tweeted that. I also remember when he wrote an entire page on his website condemning *all* password managers, recommending people just use the saved passwords feature in Chrome instead (which you should definitely never do.) So while Tavis is brilliant in many ways, I'm not inclined to follow his advice when it comes to passwords. But it's exactly as you said: "The question isn't *if* vulnerabilities are found, it's how the team will respond when they inevitably are." I wholeheartedly agree, so let's examine that. What Tavis probably didn't realize is his experience with LastPass is far from the usual treatment others receive. You know, when Tavis found his first LastPass vuln, he initially couldn't even get ahold of anyone to report it. All the published contact information for the security team was invalid and support was no help. It wasn't until someone on Twitter pointed a developer his direction that he finally received some attention. And then yeah, sure, I bet they were incredibly quick to fix since Google was involved. It's too bad not everyone gets the Tavis treatment at LastPass. Most all of the vulns I listed above have existed in LastPass for a decade now. Some have been resolved, some have had half-assed fixes implemented, but most all remain present and unresolved because LastPass simply ignores the reports. Now let's look at AgileBits. Actively works with the password cracking community to continuously improve their product. Active on Hashcat Forums and Hashcat Discord. Has attended and/or presented at PasswordsCon annually for the past 9 years. Responds to all bug reports and pushes fixes out rapidly. And they've had far less vulnerabilities because they actually care. Has an actual SDLC and vuln management program, rock solid crypto and key derivation, plus the Secret Key. You're totally right, I absolutely would go with the company that has a better response -- and proactive approach -- to vulnerabilities.
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 41mo ago
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@Homebrewandhacking@mastodon.ie @bitwarden@fosstodon.org @1password@1password.social @thorsheim@mastodon.social @todb@infosec.exchange

Oh, I should add there are two caveats to password nihilism, meaning there are two areas where you have to care about not just uniqueness, but also crackability:

  1. When the password is used to derive an encryption key to encrypt something. Not just documents or archives, but also like, your password manager.

  2. Your work password, because your org probably uses Active Directory, or Windows 365. It may not, but if it does, then you have to care because there are too many password-related vectors there (broadcast protocols, Kerberoasting, password spraying, etc.) But even if you have a strong password they can still relay or pass-the-hash, so it's not a perfect defense. Difficult to plug all the holes in that swiss cheese :bloblaugh:​

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 20mo ago
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@taktform@mastodon.design (I'm coming from an S23 Ultra, so that you know my perspective). It feels really, really nice. Very premium. Quite a bit lighter, love the flat metal edges. Display is slightly larger with less glare, and it seems like it gets a little bit brighter. Very pleasant to look at, not fatiguing. And using SmartSwitch allowed me to keep TikTok (and kept me signed in!), so that was nice. Currently in the process of de-Samsung-ifying the device now. Disabling all the Samsung services, replacing One UI with Nova, etc. Will probably take me a full day to get it the way I want it. I haven't had a chance to play with the camera, or do anything that would stress its performance. But first impressions are very favorable, plus feels good to hold a new phone that doesn't cut up my fingers :neocat_laugh_sweat:
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 41mo ago
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@pomeh@piaille.fr @bitwarden@fosstodon.org @1password@1password.social KeePass is great if you're a KeePass kind of person. Not the kind of password manager I can recommend to the masses, though.
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 41mo ago
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@TimWardCam@c.im @bitwarden@fosstodon.org @1password@1password.social we can deep dive into the threat model if you'd like, but the tl;dr is the risks associated with reusing passwords or using some contrived system to generate "unique" but memorable passwords for each service far outweighs the risks associated with using a password manager.
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 45mo ago
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@Nastypouch@hachyderm.io @Casper042@mastodon.social @squelch41@retrochat.online @Goutham@techhub.social @bgeerdes@mastodon.cloud @Jerry@hear-me.social @abhivm@mastodon.social @SOOKIE@tech.lgbt @jally@bbq.snoot.com @eclectic_citizen@convo.casa @sherridavidoff@infosec.exchange @jstangroome@infosec.exchange @BenAveling@infosec.exchange @NilsRenaud@m.g3l.org @thor@mast.ttk.is @arpcomics@mastodon.online @cambraca@musicians.today @pkellner@techhub.social @Nazo@hachyderm.io @davelee212@hachyderm.io @CivilDev@hachyderm.io @edbro@swecyb.com @yeleek@infosec.exchange Here are some examples of how people who aren't Tavis are treated by LastPass: https://furry.engineer/@soatok/109560736140669727 https://palant.info/2017/03/23/lastpass-security-done-wrong/
furry.engineer

Soatok Dreamseeker: "Let's talk about LastPass. Earlier this year, I …" - Furry.Engineer - Duct tape, hotfixes, and poor soldering!

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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 45mo ago
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@tom22@infosec.exchange lol, well, there is not much to hate on here. It's a POSIX shell front-end for age, which is pretty solid. If cli password managers are your thing and you're a fan of copying and pasting, then this is probably a fine solution. No phishing protection or clipboard clearing or other such mitigations though, so keep that in mind.
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 41mo ago
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@abel@h4.io Dashlane didn't gain Linux support until fairly recently, and Linux support is a firm requirement for me since I've been a desktop Linux user for more than 20 years. Well, I guess it's been five or six years now since they've added Linux support, but it doesn't feel like it's been that long :blobsmilesweat: And it's not even that they added Linux support, they just switched to a browser-centric architecture and thus inherited (or rather, stumbled upon) Linux support via the browser. But because of that, I haven't really looked at Dashlane. From what I've seen it looks nice, and I believe @sc00bz@infosec.exchange has said that they look great from a security perspective, but I can't recommend something that I myself haven't personally used, or won't personally use.
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Jeremi M Gosney :verified: @epixoip@infosec.exchange
· 46mo ago
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@noahtheduke@indieweb.social @sc00bz@infosec.exchange Yep, so, you're not wrong. But now consider, how does one scrub secrets from memory using a garbage collected language? How does one prevent such secrets from being swapped to disk using a garbage collected language? There are trade-offs in either situation.
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