@rameez@social.lol @matt@social.lol That can be done while using a separate lexicon. Its not mutually exclusive. They could do the curation in a native way without the hack they've done to do it now.
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@BeAware@social.beaware.live @volkris@qoto.org @juergen_hubert@mementomori.social the relay is just an indexer. I'm not understanding your issue with it crawling the network. It's a utility to lower the cost of hosting a PDS. And make global search far easier.
@BeAware@social.beaware.live @volkris@qoto.org @juergen_hubert@mementomori.social this photo is talking about atproto in general. Whitewind as I understand just pulls directly from the PDS. Also there's already numerous non-archival relays that are cheap to run. For example Jetstream.
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Unfortunately that post is full of misinformation about atproto. For example whtwnd.com, a popular atproto blogging platform, doesn't even use the relay.
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@cragsand@mastodon.social @nileane@nileane.fr kiwifarms like forums exist and are unknown. There's probably a lot of isolated Fediverse instances that also have a bunch of assholes harassing without getting direct contact. I'm just not sure this is a ATProto specific issue.
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@cragsand@mastodon.social @nileane@nileane.fr Hey Rudy's one of my mutuals 😁. His write up is very good. On your concern I see what you mean. But as Rudy said, Relays are going to be massively expensive. So there likely will only be one of them. And on harassment you can't see. I understand the feeling, but with so many layers they will get caught. And I honestly don't see a difference then those guys being on there own forum making their nefarious plans about a person.
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@cragsand@mastodon.social @nileane@nileane.fr So users who might not like how Bsky moderates can pick a new BGS (Relay) as well as pick a community run labeling service and rely on them to properly label hate groups and the like.
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@cragsand@mastodon.social @nileane@nileane.fr how Bluesky fedrates is different. Your data is hosted on what's called a PDS (Personal Data Server) and a service called the BGS (Big Graph Service now called a Relay) indexes all posts from the many PDS's and creates a firehose. Moderation can be done on the PDS, likely the BGS (Relay), and through the labeling service. Anyone can make a BGS (Relay) and anyone can make a labeling service.
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @veronica@xoxo.zone Luckily there are a lot of open models still, but unfortunately all the money is going to the "open" ai company.
@BeAware@social.beaware.live @volkris@qoto.org @juergen_hubert@mementomori.social
They don't have your data, your data is in the PDS that you control. And if you wanted to block the indexer you can.
@BeAware@social.beaware.live @volkris@qoto.org @juergen_hubert@mementomori.social yes because all records get pulled into the relay no matter what. The client still pulls from the PDS directly.
@BeAware@social.beaware.live @volkris@qoto.org @juergen_hubert@mementomori.social Everything doesn't go through the relay, its up to app developers if they would like to do it via the big relay.